Certainty/uncertainty changes in next version 6.1

Alex

Hello!

@rca @Markus @elena @Ruth @Manuel Gozalbes

We are preparing the next step into certainty/uncertainty in the next version, as we discuss some times, the uncertainty needs more information about it. @Manuel Gozalbes proposed ratting it with "5 stars" levels. And we think that it will be ok, but two questions arise to us:

1- What ratting levels means?

Option 1: Manuel proposal a 5 star levels, but 100% will not represented in the ratting because this data will not has any certainty mark, so the rating will be only with 4 stars:

1 star = 0% sure
2 stars = 25 % sure
3 stars = 50 % sure
4 stars = 75 % sure
100 % sure (data without uncertainty)

So a 4 stars ratting the 1 star = 0% (totally unsure) and 4 stars = 75% (nearly to be sure) and the 100% the rest unmarked data.

Option 2: But other rating could be a 5 stars ratting and the un-ratting means totally unsure (0%)

0% sure (data with uncertainty but without ratting)
1 star = 16,66 % sure
2 stars = 33,33 % sure
3 stars = 50 % sure
4 stars = 66,66 % sure
5 stars = 83,33 % sure
100 % sure (data without uncertainty)

Or... do you have another proposal?

2- How can evaluated the current check box with the new rating?

Now, the checkbox can be on or off, which could be interpreted as 0/100. But... we want to ask you.
So, the current activated checkbox for uncertainty shall have the value?

Option 1 - without rating (I will rated in 4 stars ratting / 0% in the 5 starts ratting)
Option 2 - 1 star (the most low level)
Option 3 - 3 stars (middle) 50%

Option 1 means that the current value creates an uncertainty record but any value will be assigned to the ratting
Option 2 means that the current value has almost 1 star (or the most low level of certainty)

???

We need to take a decision quickly...so please speak now or forever hold your peace. 😉 🤔 👂️
...

Best

elena

Hello dears and Happy New Year!

Nowadays, I have been using the uncertainty checkbox more usually than I would like and I feel very comfortable with the actual unrated option.
I mean, I am sure of something and that is true or I am not sure, so whatever I want to rate would be uncertain and I think it would become in a Byzantine discussion.
So I guess I am saying that I don't feel like needing to rate the uncertainty, and it is more simple, you are sure (you have 100% certaintity) or you are not sure of the mint, the value or the findspot (as you don't know it is impossible to rate it with certaintity or in other words, you don't have certaintity and rate it may be a personal but not scientific decission).
Maybe I am being too simple but perhaps we should stand simple. Note that in OCRE they don't rate the uncertaintity, just mark it (see https://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.7.lon.298 as example).

Manuel Gozalbes

Hello!
Uncertainty is a very complex topic and it's only a first step of a big plan. Of course we can choose a simple solution, but other questions arise. We can explain you more details next week in Cadiz 🙂.

elena

Sure! Always better in person!
XXX

Alex

Helo again!

We are thinking that the decision could need some time, it could be a long discussion... so, if nobody is opposed, we can change the current uncertainty data to create the new model (only open the record) but not rating it.

When the decision will clear, it will be possible to modify all new records with the adopted rating decision.

So, we go with the 6.1 update.

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elena

Thank you!! So, are the reasons of the uncertainty right now available in the v6.1?

Alex

It's not ready yet, we are preparing the update... will be soon.

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elena

Perfect! Let us know! 🙂