Denominations [numisdata33]

Manuel Gozalbes

It's a well-known fact that the concept denominations [numisdata33] doesn't fit well among the inventories. The natural model for that kind of content is a thesaurus. If we all agree with this movement, for sure, Alex & Paco can handle it to put everything in the right place.
There are important issues related to the denominations section that will have to be solved in the future that also require a thesaurus. Specifically, we need to relate denominations to monetary systems or units of account.
In addition, for the monedaiberica.org project, we also need to establish the value relationship among different denominations to make comparisons of minted wealth on a common basis.

@elena @Gosvinta @rca @Alice Baeta @Jonas von Felten

rca

... YES, in DISCO we need a thesaurus for denominations as well.

Coinage systems, equivalents, values - that will be a huge task for medieval/modern, indeed ... especially as the equivalents and values change over time. That is definitely NOT one of the next tasks for us in Switzerland, although it would be nice to know the total value of a hoard of mixed coins from Germany/Austria/Italy/France/Switzerland immediately!

@elena @Manuel Gozalbes @Alice Baeta @Gosvinta @Jonas von Felten

elena

Good idea! I agree to move denominations to a thesaurus. But, will it be shared by all of us? Or everyone has to hierarquize their one denominations to an individual thesaurus?

Alex

That makes sense. I have a question: Do denominations need a separate thesaurus, or is it a branch of an existing thesaurus? If a new one were to be created, what TLD would be appropriate?

Best

Manuel Gozalbes

I'm not sure to set it as a separate thesaurus. My first question is:
denominations can be treated as part of the object thesaurus?
where, coin [model: object] is the parent of drachm [model: denomination] and as [model: denomination]?

elena

I have just reviewed the thesaurus of numismatics from the Ministery of Spain.
https://tesauros.cultura.gob.es/tesauros/numismatica/1187422#c-2031537000

There you can see it is set as Manuel says. Coín (object) as parent of a lot of denominations.

rca

I just checked with Jonas, that solution might work for us as well!

Alex

So, the change will be, to move the denomination data to Object thesaurus under the Coin node in object and setting the denomination typology for all transferred nodes.

That's ok? and how we deal with it? because the Coin node could be different in every installation... do you have introduced in your thesaurus a common definition to identify the Coin node and the Denomination typology node?

For Coin node would be possible to use:

For Denomination node would be possible to use:

And it needs to be in the URI hierarchy89 field of the node.

For instance. If you set the nomisma id for the coin node in your object thesaurus and denomination id for the typology in your node thesaurus. Then we can change your data automatically, creating the new nodes (moving your current denomination data) and replacing the data that are calling they as Type records that are calling to denomination.

But, if you don't have any of the common definitions, we cannot find the nodes, or we can try to find by name, but it can be set in different languages as coin, coins, monedas, moneda, etc... and if we don't found it we cannot transfer the denomination data automatically. therefore, in those cases, you can move your data manually.

It could be good plan?

Best.