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Manuel Gozalbes

Does it make sense to create 'Activitiies' Typology for the Thesauri? At this moment, in the Valencia museum installation we have 3 actv hierarchies mixed among the thematic ones; 'Activities', 'Excavations' and 'Route'. It sounds like they are something different that thematic...

Another need is to create 'typological' hierarchies for describing the objects according to general reference works like numismatic or pottery catalogues. The basic requiments for archaological collections maybe should include 4 thesauri: numismatics, ceramics (better than pottery), fauna and flora. I would suggest to create also another one, 'photography', for describing the formats of analogue photo collections (catalogued under tch1).
The hierarchy20 model adapts well to the basic needs of these typologies.
The only point to discuss is where/how to set, in a normalised way, the object typology of each entry (like denarius, or amphorae). Perhaps, it's possible to use the field 'related terms' for retrieving the objects and establishing the relation.

PS. I think there's no tag for Thesauri

Alex

Manuel Gozalbes Does it make sense to create 'Activitiies' Typology for the Thesauri? At this moment, in the Valencia museum installation we have 3 actv hierarchies mixed among the thematic ones; 'Activities', 'Excavations' and 'Route'. It sounds like they are something different that thematic...

I think that is a good idea, and make sense have a Activities typology for thesaurus. It's created in:

Dédalo 2024-05-02T18:59:12+02:00 Benimamet

Manuel Gozalbes The basic requiments for archaological collections maybe should include 4 thesauri: numismatics, ceramics (better than pottery), fauna and flora. I would suggest to create also another one, 'photography', for describing the formats of analogue photo collections (catalogued under tch1).
The hierarchy20 model adapts well to the basic needs of these typologies.

We will need a clear tld for this thesaurus and if they are common or not, I understand that your proposal is to create:

flora
fauna
ceramics
numismatics
photo

In a global hierarchies, as other common thesaurus.

Manuel Gozalbes Perhaps, it's possible to use the field 'related terms' for retrieving the objects and establishing the relation.

The meaning of Related term is not part of the definition, it is a path to a similar term that is related to the caller term, but is not the term itself.

Manuel Gozalbes The only point to discuss is where/how to set, in a normalised way, the object typology of each entry (like denarius, or amphorae)

For me, the question here might be if these typologies are part of the object thesaurus or they are a separate hierarchies.

It could be more clear with a example.

If you have a object as:

Pottery

do you want the typologies in different thesauri? or do you want within the same object thesaurus as children? as:

Pottery
- Amphorae
- Terra sigillata
- Lamps
- ...

in the way of MCU
or Getty

Maybe we need more opinions: @Mariajobrador, @Maribel, @rca, @Gerard_La Foneria
what is your opinion?

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Manuel Gozalbes

Alex We will need a clear tld for this thesaurus and if they are common or not, I understand that your proposal is to create:

flora
fauna
ceramics
numismatics
photo

I think that, for now, we only need the first four. Photo 'types' maybe can be part of the 'objects' (thesaurus).
Do you plan to include those thesauri as official to install from the maintenance area?

Anothe question is that I've tried to create a general thesarus of types based on the new section tch20 but I get an error. I've checked the permissions and for tch20 every line is green. Any other change is necessary?

Alex

Manuel Gozalbes Any other change is necessary?

As you can read in the panel:

Esta jerarquía no está activa y no se puede generar

or in English:

Current hierarchy is not active and no is possible generate it

means that the hierarchy that you want to create, in your case productiontype, is not active and is not possible to create it.

Solution:
Activate the hierarchy before click the generate button:

If the hierarchy is not active, the generation process will stop (showing the message that you are seeing) because you may have a lot of hierarchies in hierarchy section without use them, as toponymy, which 247 hierarchies loaded by default, but only few of them will be active.

I hope is clear.

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Alex

Manuel Gozalbes
ceramics
numismatics

Hi, traditionally we use a singular names for ontologies tld, for ex: material, technique, object, etc. instead plural ones as materials.

So, the tld could be:

ceramic
numismatic

If is ok.

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Manuel Gozalbes

In the new section for typologies, the field 'typology' (tch27) is showing contents from tch2 (acquisition). I'm not sure of what's the right content for that, but I think is not tch2.

Alex

Manuel Gozalbes In the new section for typologies, the field 'typology' (tch27) is showing contents from tch2 (acquisition). I'm not sure of what's the right content for that, but I think is not tch2.

Yes!, if you use tch20 we have a conflict with "model" section for thesaurus section... tch2, register section is in the model number as es2, tchi2, etc...

How we need to proceed?????? move the tch2 to other section tipo as tch10???, changing the hierarchy model is more heavy than that...

Or move the tch20 to other tld???

Or don't use the tch20 in any case... just use cloned hierarchies in the same way than hierarchy20. I'm thinking that tch20 is a generic section and use it is a very bad way.

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Manuel Gozalbes

Ok, it's completely clear now. I will hide tch20 and I will never use it again.
Another question... Is it possible to move the field typology to the end of the first lime? This the same position of the models in the hierarchies. And it's also good to have catalogue and number side by side...

Alex

Manuel Gozalbes . Is it possible to move the field typology to the end of the first lime?

In thesauri section the "Typology" is in the row number 4 and column 1:

In tch20 it's into the row number 2 and column number 2:

thc20 doesn't has a row number 4. but is possible to move it into the column number 1, in the Catalogue position or into the Technique position. (row number 3).

So what would be the right place?

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Manuel Gozalbes

To move before Catalogue seems a good choice. The important thing to me is to have catalogueand numberside by side.

Alex

Manuel Gozalbes he important thing to me is to have catalogueand numberside by side.

Ok, done into the

Dédalo 2024-05-30T10:06:39+02:00 Benimamet

Ontology, update your installation to get it.

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andrea

Morning, Àlex.
I've been working in a new Typology section for ceramics and it's working fine. But, we were wondering if it could be possible to add in tch20 a textual field for descriptions and notes (including one for public info and another one for private info) .

thanks!
A

Alex

andrea

Done in ontology:

Dédalo 2025-01-27T10:21:15+01:00 Benimamet

Update your installation to get it.

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