tch > tangible | features (Beta)

Manuel Gozalbes

While moving data from v5 to the new tch ontology of v6 I've found some issues to comment:

The object list (tch1) shows only one Identifying image. I suggest to show two. For coins, at least, is mandatory to see obverse and reverse.
For the tch1 list, I suggest to replace the 'collection' field (tch49), very repetitive, with the 'description' field (tch58).
When typing, the 'place' autocomplete of tch1 (tch555 ) does not show information. The link option works fine, but not the autocomplete.
For the component 'place' (tch555) and for the component 'location' (tch348) it will be helpful it the parents of the term are also shown (Case 34 > Rome and Hispania > Permanent rooms...)
The name of the component 'municipality' (tch245 ) of the registration section (tch2) is not describing properly every situation recorded after that context. Maybe will be more accurate a more generic term like 'place'

Alex

Manuel Gozalbes The object list (tch1) shows only one Identifying image. I suggest to show two. For coins, at least, is mandatory to see obverse and reverse.

I don't know why are you see only 1 image, the component tch66 is set to show 2.

"sqo": {
          "limit": 2
         ...
}

And the result is something as:

Review your installation.

Manuel Gozalbes For the tch1 list, I suggest to replace the 'collection' field (tch49), very repetitive, with the 'description' field (tch58).

It's fine for me, though Description is too long a field to show in a list, but, if no one is opposed to this change it could be implemented.

What is your option? @Mariajobrador, @rca, @Maribel

Manuel Gozalbes When typing, the 'place' autocomplete of tch1 (tch555 ) does not show information. The link option works fine, but not the autocomplete.

I tested and works perfectly the definition is totally correct, (tch555)
and the result:

??? review your server and php logs...

Manuel Gozalbes For the component 'place' (tch555) and for the component 'location' (tch348) it will be helpful it the parents of the term are also shown (Case 34 > Rome and Hispania > Permanent rooms...)

Is was set in the config months ago and is working... ??? the same thing that previous topic, review your server logs... or update to the ontology, the change was implemented in November 2023.

Manuel Gozalbes The name of the component 'municipality' (tch245 ) of the registration section (tch2) is not describing properly every situation recorded after that context. Maybe will be more accurate a more generic term like 'place'

The component is set to get data from toponyms thesaurus, and immobile heritage, so, it's true that you can set it to other than toponyms places... so if no one opposites to it, 'places' could be a good name, could you translate the term into the: English, Spanish, Català, German, French, Italian, etc...

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Manuel Gozalbes

Manuel Gozalbes For the component 'place' (tch555) and for the component 'location' (tch348) it will be helpful it the parents of the term are also shown (Case 34 > Rome and Hispania > Permanent rooms...)

'Place' works fine now. But location is not showing the parents tch348. I've updated the ontology and the only info displayed is the term. Besides that, the typical pencil for editing is not displayed, and the bin appears far to the right, not right after the term, as usually happens.

Manuel Gozalbes

You're right but with the record, but It was about the list. > "The object LIST (tch1) shows only one Identifying image". I would like to see both sides of coins and notes in the list.
tch555 is now working fine. It was problem of filters and that some records were not marked as valid for indexation. Sorry 🙂
for 'municipality' (tch245) suggestion for translations are: Lugar (spa), Lloc (cat), Place (eng), Luogo (ita), Lieu (fra) and Ort (ger)

Alex

Hi @Manuel Gozalbes

Manuel Gozalbes You're right but with the record, but It was about the list. > "The object LIST (tch1) shows only one Identifying image". I would like to see both sides of coins and notes in the list.

Ah!, ok!, maybe, could you specify it into your question for next time? Is important to know what are you doing.

Manuel Gozalbes for 'municipality' (tch245) suggestion for translations are: Lugar (spa), Lloc (cat), Place (eng), Luogo (ita), Lieu (fra) and Ort (ger)

If no one objects, It will be changed.

Manuel Gozalbes the model LIST of tchi1 (inmovable heritage) is not displayed correctly

???? it's working, review your installation and php_error log.

Note: tchi1 is not the tipo for any model, tchi1 is a main section, his model is tchi2, it's confusing to use relative definitions. Please use the correct tipo.

Manuel Gozalbes The tchi1 field (tchi16 ) for this typology/model doesn't show the terms in the autocomplete. It's only possible to link id from a 'blank list', getting also a 'blank term'.

Right, thanks for locate it. Now it's fixed into the ontology:

Dédalo 2024-04-22T09:02:51+02:00 Benimamet

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Manuel Gozalbes

It also happens that the model LIST of tchi1 (inmovable heritage) is not displayed correctly. Only the ID column is displayed. I can edit the records I've created, which are also shown in the tree view. But the list view doesn't show the terms I've created.
The tchi1 field (tchi16 ) for this typology/model doesn't show the terms in the autocomplete. It's only possible to link id from a 'blank list', getting also a 'blank term'.

Manuel Gozalbes

Now I have the problem of typing the typology of tch1. The link option works fine, but not the autocomplete. It worked a few days ago, but now is not working (the linking option works fine)
The images of the list are presented one above another. I've tried to fix it by deleting the cache and with private browsing, but it doesn't work.

Alex

Hi Manuel Gozalbes

Manuel Gozalbes Now I have the problem of typing the typology of tch1. The link option works fine, but not the autocomplete. It worked a few days ago, but now is not working (the linking option works fine)

I think that is your installation that has the problem, maybe you need to review your hierarchies and be ensure that your installation is working properly.

All you saying is not a failure or malfunction. Seems like your are working with an incorrect hierarchy.

Best.

Alex

@"Manuel Gozalbes"#p331location is not showing the parents tch348... the typical pencil for editing is not displayed, and the bin appears far to the right, not right after the term, as usually happens.

Location tch348 It's a view tree than is a litter bit different view than "usually", the functionality is open the main thesaurus to select the term to link directly in the thesaurus tree. But is possible change it to mix the "usually" configuration and the tree. And is done in the ontology:

Dédalo 2024-05-01T09:26:56+02:00 Benimamet

Update your ontology to get it.

Note: this change requiere the latest version of Dédalo >= v6.2, if you update with any previous version you will lose the tree functionality.

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Manuel Gozalbes

Updated and solved. Now is perfect. Thank you.

Manuel Gozalbes

in the portal 'Assessment' of tch1, the content of the field 'observations' is not displayed. The portal shows a grey or green flag (grey when the field is empty grey and green when is filled) with a pop-up which says 'matrix_id: undefined'.

Manuel Gozalbes

Another possible improvement is for the field period / chronology. Perhaps is possible to add the thesaurus culture in this field. Sometimes 'periods' are used in the sense of 'cultures' and viceversa (Bronze Age, Baroque...). Sometimes can be also Dynastic information (Ming dynasty), but I think that this kind of info is possible to set a internal branch of the chronological thesaurus. For the label of this field sounds good 'Period / Culture' (+ Dynasty?)

Alex

Manuel Gozalbes

Manuel Gozalbes t I think that this kind of info is possible to set a internal branch of the chronological thesaurus. For the label of this field sounds good 'Period / Culture' (+ Dynasty?)

In my opinion, it makes sense. All those things are periods of time, and you can specify in the term what kind of typology is, a Culture or Period or Era or Dynasty, etc...

And what do you think about Styles, as Barroco, Modernism, Deco, etc... it could be useful to be included them in the same field and thesaurus?

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Manuel Gozalbes

Manuel Gozalbes Another possible improvement is for the field period / chronology. Perhaps is possible to add the thesaurus culture in this field. Sometimes 'periods' are used in the sense of 'cultures' and viceversa (Bronze Age, Baroque...). Sometimes can be also Dynastic information (Ming dynasty), but I think that this kind of info is possible to set a internal branch of the chronological thesaurus. For the label of this field sounds good 'Period / Culture' (+ Dynasty?)

I'm back to the field 'period'. I suggest to use the label and some 'official' thesauri to give an idea of the contents. Maybe is a sort of mix of thematic concepts, but makes sense and a suggestion for the label is; Period / Culture / Dinasty / Style. The field should link to 4 official thesauri with the same names (the only new are Dinasty and Style). Style seems important specially for the same field in the inmovable heritage section (tchi1).

Habana

Alex
hi
Regarding the "Period / Culture / Dynasty / Style" field [tch554], it is currently only related to the "Chronology" thesaurus [hierarchy1_256]. Would it be possible to also link it to the "Culture" thesaurus [hierarchy1_255]?

Alex

IMPORTANT CHANGE

The field Autortch55 has been changed to use the People references rsc1152 section instead call to People under study directly.

If you want to update the ontology export your data and re-import it with the correct behaviour, as tch is still in beta version we do not update field data automatically.

This change is done in:

Dédalo 2024-05-10T17:15:57+02:00 Benimamet

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Alex

IMPORTANT CHANGE

The field Maker tch212 has been changed to use the Entities references rsc1299 section instead call to Entities directly.

If you want to update the ontology export your data and re-import it with the correct behaviour, as tch is still in beta version we do not update field data automatically.

This change is done in:

Dédalo 2024-05-10T18:25:01+02:00 Benimamet

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Manuel Gozalbes

Is it possible to shorten the label of the field tch508 > Recommendations and preventive conservation parameters (HR, Tª, Lux...)
It's too long and with the filter unfolded creates a list of fields too wide.
Maybe it's ok just with 'Conservation paremeters'

Alex

Manuel Gozalbes Maybe it's ok just with 'Conservation paremeters'

For me is ok, and his translations?

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Alex

Manuel Gozalbes Maybe it's ok just with 'Conservation paremeters'

I think that the term is best (and shorter as you demand):

Conservation recommendations and parameters
Recomendaciones y parámetros de conservación
Recommandations et paramètres de conservation
Recomanacions i paràmetres de conservació
Empfehlungen und Parameter für die Konservierung
Raccomandazioni e parametri di conservazione

I change it and it's in the ontology:

Dédalo 2024-05-13T12:23:43+02:00 Benimamet

Please update your installation to get it.

And we have a proposal to unify this field with Handling, transport, exposure specifications tch147, but I don't know if the text field is necessary to get the latest specifications or you can use the portal to handle this kind of data e.g. send this information for exhibitions, transport, etc... it is easy to export a text field and maybe it is complicated to select the right portal (the newest row) to export this data.
So, maybe we need both, text field with the latest and human readable format and portal with historical and structured data.

What do you think?

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Alex

IMPORTANT CHANGE

The field Graduation / scale / ratio tch242 has been changed to use the Magnitudes/proportions/values rsc1327 section instead to use only a text value.

Now the field has change his name to: Magnitudes/proportions/values because we don't find any «good» name for this field. The field meaning is to add other modifying measures or magnitudes likes scales, ratios, proportions, values for ex:

Type	Value	Unit
scale	1/50000
ratio	16x9
value	1	pts
graduation	32-41	degrees celsius

etc

If you want to update the ontology export your data and re-import it with the correct behaviour, as tch is still in beta version we do not update field data automatically.

This change is done in:

Dédalo 2024-05-11T11:56:40+02:00 Benimamet

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